Mark Dytham of Klein Dytham © 2011 sarosh. All rights reserved.

MARK DYTHAM OF KLEIN DYTHAM ARCHITECTURE

 

Mark Dytham of Klein Dytham

In times such as these it is inter­est­ing to look back on how prac­ti­tion­ers have sur­vived dif­fi­cult times in the past. When Mark Dytham and Astrid Klein moved to Tokyo shortly after fin­ish­ing their stud­ies at the Royal Col­lege of Art in Lon­don, the econ­omy seemed to be soar­ing and Japan was seen as the epi­cen­ter of that growth.  Shortly after their immi­gra­tion to Tokyo the bub­ble burst.

Then, like now, many young prac­ti­tion­ers found them­selves in a dif­fi­cult sit­u­a­tion. How­ever, Klein and Dytham not only sur­vived that depres­sion but formed a prac­tice which is noted for its resource­ful­ness, humour and mar­ket­ing skill. Founders of both Super Deluxe and Pecha Kucha, the pair have reached beyond the often insu­lar archi­tec­tural com­mu­nity to become a light­ning rod for talent.

Far from being just lucky, Klein Dytham has shown the par­tic­u­lar skill of being able to extract the most from what­ever oppor­tu­nity is pre­sented to them. Mark Dytham dis­cussed cul­ture, prac­tice and humor with us on a recent visit to Auckland.

When you decided to travel to Japan, what out­side of archi­tec­ture in Japan was draw­ing you?

Well the key thing about going to Japan was first of all it was the fur­thest place away from the UK. It was about the fact that there were no plan­ners there, visual plan­ners. And the fact that you could build any­thing it looked like from the mag­a­zines. I’m a mod­ernist and I wanted to see pure tem­ple archi­tec­ture or where I think mod­ernism sort of came from, so it was to see the bub­ble archi­tec­ture but also the pure, pure base for all things. At that point I was an archi­tec­tural geek in that sense, but because Astrid stud­ied inte­ri­ors and we went together, she wanted to go for Shiro Kura­mata who did all the stores for Issey Miyake and so there was an inte­rior thing going on there as well.

When you arrived in Japan, how did you find the other young archi­tects in Japan by comparison?

We were ahead of the curve, I can remem­ber that.

Were they more structured?

We met Ito not by chance, but we met about 10 archi­tects we wanted to work for and Ito gave us a job, our own project in his office that we ran under our own name and we could already do that, whereas for archi­tects in Japan, you work for some­body for eight years as an appren­tice before you’re allowed out on your own. So for us to come out of col­lege, arrive and work on our own projects was quite dif­fer­ent I think. I’m not say­ing we were bet­ter, we were just dif­fer­ent and we had the get up and go to do that and that’s chang­ing now, young kids are com­ing out of col­lege and work­ing for a cou­ple of years and then doing projects. So the age of any­one estab­lish­ing an office has really, really dropped in Japan in 20 years, which is quite different.

Is that due to their edu­ca­tion chang­ing or their confidence?

I think it was to do with the econ­omy that peo­ple couldn’t get work so they set up on their own or they found them­selves in a more unsta­ble posi­tion. When you’re in a bub­ble and every­body is fully employed there’s very lit­tle growth or inno­va­tion in any way, because every­body is too busy and then the whole thing col­lapses and the big com­pa­nies don’t want any more staff but the tal­ent is still being pro­duced and then it comes up like shoots. It will come up in all sorts of dif­fer­ent ways. So that’s why reces­sions are pretty good, they’re most inter­est­ing things.

How did you sur­vive those years as a new practice?

Yes that was tough, I did an earner in Hong Kong, stuff that’s not really pub­lished and then in ’94 we worked on Tokyo Expo, and we were doing 15 build­ings with Ito and Sejima and that was going to be our big debut onto the world stage and then it all got can­celled because of the Kobe earth­quake, there was a Sarin gas poi­son­ing and the econ­omy was down. We did about 150 draw­ings, it was on site and the mayor of Tokyo decides he’s going to can­cel it, so it got can­celled 18 months before it was going to open. It would be like them can­celling Shang­hai just before, so that was a big blow but we were insu­lated because we’d seen Zaha not build any­thing and Peter Cook not build any­thing to that point. It was just nor­mal, that’s how archi­tects worked, nobody saw it built, so it felt okay.

So you were given some grit by see­ing that.

Yeah it was just nor­mal but we got some draw­ings, got foun­da­tions in the ground, that’s more than they got. And that led to ’96 when our first build­ing got built, so that’s when it kind of started I’d say on our own.

I’ve read that you put down some of your cre­ative insight into Japan, or into Tokyo in par­tic­u­lar, as com­ing from your foreign-ness or kind of detach­ment from being born in Tokyo, do you see your­self as Japan­ese now after 22 years.

No I don’t think so. I wouldn’t be British if I went back either. It’s just inter­est­ing going to Syd­ney to see the Bien­nale and talk­ing to David Elliot who’s the artis­tic direc­tor there about the notion of the whole Bien­nale, it’s the beauty of this dis­tance, it’s being able to see your work from out­side your skin.

It’s try­ing to get out­side your body and see things from a dif­fer­ent per­spec­tive. The beauty of dis­place­ment allows you to do so. We’re dis­placed in a dif­fer­ent cul­ture so you can see that cul­ture in a dif­fer­ent way.

That’s why we don’t do things that Japan­ese peo­ple do because they can’t see what we see and like­wise they see Japan in a com­pletely dif­fer­ent way. I see Lon­don in a dif­fer­ent way when I go back now too, so leave the cab door open because it doesn’t have the auto­matic closer on it and why are the sub­way tick­ets really large or why the chim­neys or why the clouds are puffy and flat grained. So we say that we’re a Tokyo office and not a Japan­ese office and not a Euro­pean or British office. We’re based in Tokyo, we live and work in Tokyo and are inspired by Tokyo, which is very dif­fer­ent to being a Japan­ese inspired office. We don’t do Kendo or Judo or any of those semi-religious Zen-esque things that most Ger­man peo­ple come to Japan to do.